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First off, I haven't been around in a while and the forum upgrade looks great!! Anyway, I completed my MCITP for both Enterprise and Server Administrator. I also have my MCSE and other certifications. MY question is, has anyone benefitted from having their MCITP?? In my case, most don't seem to know it exists and seem to hold my MCSE in higher regard.

A secondary comment is that sadly, the best benefit to me having my MCSE 2000 is that it proves I have 10 years in the game since my MCSE completion date and trascript reflect my completion of exams back in 2000-2001. Other than that, the irony is in 1998 I received more kudos for my MCP when the salaries went nuts in the NT days.

I hope Microsoft will start informing the I.T. world that the MCITP is replacing the MCSE as their premiere certification as nobody in the I.T. field seems to have gotten that message. With the economy the way it is and people losing jobs left and right, it would be nice if Microsoft could help us increase our income and status by advertising and informing people.

Thanks alot and take care, 
Christopher Tenzycki,
MCITP: Enterprise Administrator, Server Administrator
MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Active Directory, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring; Windows Server 2008 Applications Infrastructure, Configuring; Deploying and Maintaining Windows Vista Client and 2007 Microsoft Office System Desktops; Windows Vista, Configuring
MCSE: Windows 2000
MCDBA: SQL Server 2000
MCP, A+, Network+

4 Answers Found


Answer 1

I have to disagree with you on this one. Microsoft cannot save the world - or the economy. Nor is it their responsibility to increase our incomes. Some where in this world, we have to do things ourselves and take responsibilities on our own.

As far as Human Resources departments and their lack of knowledge of certifications, this again isn't Microsoft's problem. They heard someone mention that they need an MCSE and so they place an add for it without even knowing what an MCSE does. I have seen MCSE hired to repair computers. Why? Two reasons: 1.) Lack of knowledge. 2.) They don't care to know.

Certifications have no benefits by themselves. Just ask all those employers how forked out ungodly amount of salaries for those "paper MCSEs". You have to prove yourself now. You have to sell yourself and your proficiency now. You have to show a history working with the technology now. Not just a piece of paper. And this, my friend, is what makes certification beneficial.
Michael D. Alligood,
MCITP: Enterprise Support Technician, Consumer Support Technician
MCTS: Windows Vista - Configuration,
MCSA, MCDST, MCP, A+, Network+

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Answer 2

I've been quite a busy man, however I wanted to answer your question. The fact still currently remains; Microsoft did a better job of speading the word when it came to the MCSE and didn't put the same force behind the MCITP. Since my initial message, awareness of the MCITP and MCTS certifications has increased. The sad reality is that certification in general are not holding the high regard they once did in the 90's.

I remember people back in the 90's walking into $50K/year jobs in Manhattan with little real world experience as newly minted NT MCSE's. I believe some of the deflation in I.T. salaries was due to this, however, the end result is that Network Engineers are no longer commanding the salaries they once did.

Answer 3

I'm assuming Microsoft renamed the "MCSE" title "MCITP" based on this thread, and based on the fact i am trying to get the equivalent of and "MCSE in Server 2008 R2" if there is even such a thing.

If MCITP is the Vista/2008 equivalent of MCSE, just like WDS is the Vista/2008 equivalent of RIS why not just say "MCITP / MCSE  2008" on a resemue this way you pick up both the computerized attention for the keyword MCSE and the attention of the humanr resource rep to allow them to know the name has changed, simalar to hyphenating one's last name 

another question, one if my instructors told me that Microsoft will count a CompTIA A+ and Network+ twoard one of your electives on the MCSE, are they still doing this.


Answer 4

From Microsoft website:

Q.  Does MCSA equate to MCITP: Server Administrator and does MCSE equate to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator?


No, not exactly. The mcitp  on Windows Server 2008 certification requires a new skill set—in some cases, a more robust one—that differs from the skill set needed for MCSA and MCSE certifications.

MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification.

MCITP: Enterprise Administrator maps to an actual job role profile, whereas the MCSE certification does not. The latter combines technology and job skills.

My personal opinion is to go for the Enterprise Administrator if you want the equivalent of MCSE on 2003. I have this myself and I felt like the study and exam process was most similar.

Search for  MCITP vs. MCSE

Hello! Sorry maybe this question has been asked before.
Any recommendation Please):
Im currently hold an MCSA (2003).
What is better should i finish my MCSE(2003),or just move on to 2008 MCTS or MCITP Server Administrator or Enterprise Administrator?
Thank you.
p.s i have to pass 3 exam to become MCSE(2003)
Im  confused i don't know what to do please help me.


I'm a complete noob to Microsoft's certification track and I've a jar full of questions which I need to be answered. To start with something, I'd like to ask,


- Which certification must I do first, MCSE or MCITP? Please also tell "Why"?




I am 1 test away from finishing my MCSE 2003.

I see that you can take 70-680 (Windows 7 TS Exam) to satisfy the elective requirement for MCSE 2003.

My question is that if I do that, finish my MCSE 2003, will it still count towards MCITP: Enterprise Administrator upgrade exams?

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/mcse.aspx#tab4 shows possible upgrade paths, I just want to make sure if I take the 70-680 to satisfy the MCSE elective, that i can still take the 70-649 and 70-647  to be MCITP Enterprise Administrator...

On a side question, what benefits exist for becoming MCITP Enterprise Administrator and Server Administrator on Windows Server 2008 (both)?


I am currently an MCSE 2003 and would like to initially upgrade to the MCITP, Server Administrator certification (which requires tests 70-648 and 70-646), but I would also like the option in the future to upgrade to the MCITP Enterprise Administrator (which requires 70-649, 70-680, and 70-647).  In an effort to take as few tests as possible, can I take 70-649 and 70-646 to receive the MCITP Server Administrator (leaving only 70-680 and 70-647 if I decide to change later)?  If I take 70-648 and decide later I would like to change to an Enterprise Admin, I would then be required to take 70-643 in addition to the other two tests to make the change.

I am uncertain of my specific career path and am trying to make a decision that will keep me versitile.  In short, will passing 70-649 and 70-646 give me the MCITP Server Administrator certification?


I'm currently MCSE (2003) certification. I would like to upgrade my MCSE to MCITP. What are the exams to write to upgrade from MCSE to MCITP. Please reply me with required exam code for MCITP. For upgradation, If i finish only 70-649 exam, which certificate i will get from microsoft.




My hopes is to become certified as MCITP: EMA, and get a job as a messaging admin then messaging engineer, and eventually get my MCM for Exchange. I have already cleared the 70-640.

How do these three certifications stack up in the job market? Lot of employers only know MCSA and MCSE. Does someone who's focus is messaging need the MCITP EA or SA, and if so, which one? Is SA good enough?

Is there a big need for messaging admins ?

please help

Greetings, I am hoping to find someone knowledgeable about which certifications in previous Windows technologies count toward the current MCITP certification track.

My situation is this: I have taken and passed two Windows 2000 exams: Windows 2000 Professional & Windows 2000 Server. Thus I am an MCP due to those two exams. Will either of those exams count toward the MCITP certification? That is, will my certification in Win 2K Pro count in lieu of the exam for Installing & Configuring Windows 7?

Secondly, with a Windows 2K MCP as my background, where else should I start? I am about to pull the trigger on ordering the MCITP-EA self study set with the text for Windows 7 (exam 70-680), and want to buy the correct set and start in the right place.

Thanks in advance.



i completed my engg looking to take course in mcse but the trainers in bangalore suggest to take up the mcse 2003 instead of mcitp

can we still continue mcse 2003 rather than mcitp 2008

exam retire means we cannot take up mcse 2003 please help





I passed my last exam in MCSE track just yesterday.

How long will it take to appear in my MCP page?

How can I order a MCSE welcome kit?

Please advise




Work needs require me to upgrade my MCSA 2003 to MCSE 2003. Years ago I passed 70-292 and received a MCSA 2003.

Do I take 70-293 and 70-294 to receive a MCSE 2003 or is their a further requirement? 




Not long back my company required a number of employees to obtain MCSE status for certification of which I was one. I had a number of Microsoft qualifications previous and dabble a little with our day to day domain stuff so over the course of a year or so I passed the exams required. I also previously passed a number of Exchange exams to be MCITP or something like that.

But here's the kicker, I work in a primarily Cisco voice environment dealing with Callmanager, Gateways, UCCX as well as other 3rd party products such as Verint Witness, Arc Systems, Zeacom to name a few. I get minimal exposure to Microsoft stuff as we do not support customers domains but will be in the future as we are moving into Datacentre hosted solutions. I don't feel my skills are up to scratch if I'm honest, I add users to the domain, unlock passwords, maybe give someone rights to another persons calendar or email blah blah

The plan - So I am asking the good people of technet if they know of any links or materials such as labs to setup ranging from basic to advanced both MCSE and Exchange. I have a beast of a server I bought running VMWare ESX-i and can knock 2 birds with one stone solidifying my mcse knowledge whilst learning this VMware product at the same time.
Examples of what I'm hoping is out there based on how I learnt my CCNA. During my course we had labs, setup a connection from router A to router B. As time went on the labs would get switches chucked in, then vlans would turn up, then inter-vlan routing and the way it was done with Cisco just engrained the info in your head very well as each lab was a step on from the last one until you had a full ccna level network running.

So please, if anyone can advise/help out on where I can find similar difficulty tiered labs get in touch. All advice welcome


Dear all i am MCSE certified Professional but i did my MCSE with 2003 track now i want to upgrade it to MCSE 2008 what options do i have? or the second case is if i want to upgrade my MCSE 2003 to MCITP then what will be the proper channel? will i have to upgrade to MCSE 2008 first then MCITP or i can directly upgrade from 2003 track to MCITP?


I have my MCSE+s 2000 certification, which I achieved with the following exams   

    220      Designing Security for a Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Network          
    214     Implementing and Managing Security in a Windows 2000 Network Infrastructure       
    217     Implementing and Administering a Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Directory Services Infrastructure        
    216     Implementing and Administering a Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Network Infrastructure      
    215     Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Server        
    210     Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Professional        


I am trying to find the path of least resistance to get the MCSE 2003. It seems that some of the exams are now retired, so the path seems a bit foggy to me. Could anyone hammer out the exams needed to achieve this?


I've been certified as MCSE & MCSA in windows 2000. Now i'm looking to upgrade my certification in Windows 2003. What is the shortest right path for me?
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my hotmail account has blocked so i cant download my digital mcse certificate or i cant apply online purcase my certificate have any way to get that certificate please can you give any help to me to open my account also
my hotmail account has blocked so i cant download my digital mcse certificate or i cant apply online purcase my certificate have any way to get that certificate please can you give any help to me to open my account also

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I have my MCSA on 2003 and I was wondering if it is worth finishing the 2003 MCSE or just move on to 2008.  I work primarily within the small business environment and there are still a lot of 2003 machines out there.  New machines are going with 2008 or 2008 SBS.  I dont want to waste time and resources on 2003 if it isnt of further use, but does having a stronger 2003 background prepare me better for future migrations to 2008?

Does anyone know when MCSE 2003 will be phased out? I have 3 more exams to complete

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